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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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Thank You Travis Roy thank you for that

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birthday greetings for the skeptics own

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yes we're still having great fun with

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the 200 episodes just gone by and

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welcome to show 201 episode 201 of the

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actually the 26th of August 2012 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia slightly worn out Richard

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Saunders and there you might tell in my

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the powerhouse museum here in city with

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dr. HC doing our mystery investigators

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snippet a little bit from that show are

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to give you an idea of some of the fun

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that we get up to but let's kick off

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with some more interviews from our good

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friend may night in Las Vegas at 1010

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the amazing meeting he speaks with Kerry

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poppy who is the communications director

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that put out the odo Ross and Carrie

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podcast this is a very funny interview

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catches up with brian hart from the

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independent investigations group from

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Hollywood and Brian's going to tell main

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the infant I'll leave you figure that

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all out with me nut he's interview with

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mystery investigators I saw the very sad

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course we all know who Neil Armstrong is

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and the wonderful inspiration he is for

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many people and I vaguely vaguely

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the very first moon landing when I was a

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the time probably not even for I can

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history I guess you'd say he was by all

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accounts a wonderful human being into

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the bargain and what else do we have to

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say well I've got a message from our

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friends in the acct in Canberra the

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Canberra skeptics they're having an

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evening with Lawrence Krauss now this

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www captain cynic comm check it out

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they've got some forums there some

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science forums and thank you captain

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cynic forum captain cynic calm for

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giving a link in a plug to the skeptics

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own podcast much appreciated gonna rest

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my voice folks I me I've been there

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talking for two days straight with dr.

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that there now who are you and what are

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wall that said things like live your

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dreams we were thinking this is really

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colonic flush so yeah it was it was very

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probiotics into you after no no okay

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embassy district of Tokyo you would pay

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butter why are you buying that yes sir

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question everything right and it's not

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conundrums in life Adam lists the best

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Batman so let's go with that okay um

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Richard Saunders haircut from a lot of

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presentation here at ten what are you

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looking forward to a time apart from

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your own stuff where you'll get like

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huge applause roses being thrown out

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the James Randi Educational Foundation

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so no there's not a lot of weird going

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on unless its self-imposed woo like

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you're the finger pointer when someone's

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doing bad boo they send you out okay

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point yes you're very good at that yes

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more or less but um but yeah so I mean

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other than the self-imposed we like me

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taking the master cleanse for four days

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and and torturing my co-workers with my

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noisy stomach there's not much we were

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around so is that it for diets is

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another crazy diet you want to go on Oh

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diets um oh actually I do want happy

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Heydrich colors done that's always a

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good thing the people people don't you

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haven't done this wow yeah are you from

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California yes oh do you mean auras we

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don't call it colors no no there's

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another one or was this one thing colors

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is where a consultant will come and like

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oh well you're a winter or spring that

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sort of thing and it's gonna really has

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nothing to do anything right well I mean

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I know about that for makeup you know

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they look at your skin tone and say oh

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you're a winter is this something else

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something do you think that's was that

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actually is that actually real that will

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you again well it sounds like you may

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know some some deeper meaning thing

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they're trying to throw in there that I

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don't know as well as the makeup thing

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with I say your winter that also there's

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winter colors that you should work or

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they look at you and they go your legs

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are this long you shouldn't wear pants

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that kind of thing which I think really

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I've done with pants much at all so I

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understand it so you your partner should

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do that yeah yeah we'll try out colors I

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don't know that so so what is the

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extraordinary claim being made

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extraordinary made is that if you were a

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certain color that you will be

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successful and powerful if you wear

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those colors and if you wear like lime

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green you'll be goose and you'll end up

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like a prostitute and but like a really

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cheap one like not a really expensive

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but like a cheap one oh my gosh I've

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never heard this one and I'm very

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excited we will definitely try that out

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no doubt there must be something out

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that in California and in fact what is

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the weirdest thing you've found in

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California they haven't touched on yet

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well I can't really say all the things

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we have lined up and there are so many

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weird things that we have lined up

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already and as soon as we hear a funny

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claim we go out and investigate it so I

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can't even think of one that we haven't

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touched although there is a particular

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fringe religious group that everyone

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wants us to investigate that is the

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Methodists No nope another one that's

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known for being both litigious and

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perhaps abusive so we haven't touched

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them and I don't know if we ever well to

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be honest with you look that's X of some

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of the critics of the the skeptics

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movement say they are you guys don't go

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near this

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religion you don't take on the Islamic

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religion you don't take on the difficult

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one should do the powerband ones the

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ones are really easy that are bunking

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stuff um how do you react to that kind

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of criticism that you don't take on the

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big ones because you know basically

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they're nasty yeah I mean well there are

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a couple things to consider well first

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of all Ross and I became Mormons I think

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that's pretty big do you have the belt

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with the stitches in no we never got our

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underwear I know it's just a bicycle a

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bicycle because they want it right

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around no we never got bicycles you

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never got temple recommends so we never

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got to baptize the dead a guy friend of

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mine actually seduced a woman when he

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came to the house not at the time but he

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came back later and they you know did

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the boy boy thing okay and then he

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continued being Mormon I don't know I

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think he did but i'm pretty sure that

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homosexuality isn't really really it's

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not a big not celebrated than the one

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church is it no and actually when we got

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baptized they specifically asked me if I

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had any sexual attraction to women and

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they said that if I did they would have

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to send me to a specialist before I

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could get baptized well um gee so what

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okay so if you had some really good

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Polaroid's yeah well yeah it was

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fantastic but you know what's this got

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to do with it and then you're out the

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door yeah I mean you are talking about

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to 19 year old boys who are interviewing

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you so you would think there would be an

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easy out so they have no experience

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whatsoever apart from maybe working in

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retail to the gap at the gap or

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something if even that I mean they're

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straight out of high school but they

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also have to shock them really easy you

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go well yeah but you know is four

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knuckles okay something like that

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something really wild probably I think

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they're actually prepared for those kind

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of things I think they get a hard time

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all the time but I think their major sex

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education is through this this

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eight-page pamphlet on chastity that has

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pictures of people playing volleyball

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throughout it because it's an alternate

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arts activity you know if you feel horny

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go play some volleyball gotta say at the

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Olympic grade volleyball on telly is

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kind of cool to look at but not as good

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as women and stick hang on now for

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people who i love the ribbon a stick

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okay I'm this is me it's the Olympic

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event you do this and you that

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you run around do your thing and that

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really yeah the ribbon and stick I love

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it because you can do it at home just

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get like a like a duck it from from

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kohls or Walgreens or something and run

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around and and who celebrates the sport

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you will see it in the London Olympics

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it's a part of the floor gymnastics but

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what if you do if you're ever

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interviewing someone who is a

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olympic-class gymnast as I have and you

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mentioned the floor gymnastics that's

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like mentioning the synchronized

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swimming to our freestyle swimmer it's

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very very much frowned upon oh I see her

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mentioning mixed martial arts to a

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proper wrestler and so on icic I'm

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dieting oh this might not be the perfect

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tool to use to demonstrate that work

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would you speak but but I did actually

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mention to David Carradine once that he

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wasn't doing the right kung fu on the

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Kung Fu show that was a really bad thing

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he challenged to a fight outside in fact

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what actually would make you challenge

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someone to a fight outside if i said

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something you well that's it that's it

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I'm doing it there are a few things that

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push my buttons that I try to keep under

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wraps but I don't always let me guess um

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ghosts no ufos no anti-vaccination

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little hmm i'm your [\h__\h] no i think

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we're looking in the wrong category of

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things though Bach Flower Remedies know

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anyone who says anything nasty about

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homosexuals or bisexuals I just really

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can't stomach that I have enough time

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with that you're talking the Old

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Testament there and you're talking the

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Torah and I think the Quran has

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something about that as well boys and

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girls yeah itself it's frowned upon in

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many of the major religions and it was

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certainly drilled into us in our Mormon

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practices as well although the Raelians

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did you ever put your hand up and go

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it's okay sometimes yeah kind of um yeah

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because we were in geez I'm by up so

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I've got to be going yeah I mean they're

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my sisters bisexual and so I would bring

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her up a couple times you know sort of

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make it personal what they were saying

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and say well you know you're saying that

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my sister can't enter the celestial

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kingdom unless she repents of who she is

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they use the phrase unclean

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I'm clean at all I'm not sure if they

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said unclean they would just say things

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like it's not God's plan it's not what

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God wants for her okay and did they

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suggest something else for her like I'm

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being on the board of a major

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corporation like city club or something

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wrong no volleyball that's always the

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alternative it's so strange because

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that's always that's kind of a bit sexy

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volleyball I mean it they should cricket

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I mean really cricket girls playing

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cricket even mix cricket no one's gonna

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get a horn out of that yeah no that's

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fair or what's that one curling and the

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one that played in the Beatles movie

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hard day's night where they've got the

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kettle and they put a brush in front of

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it that's kind of cool maybe but not not

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horny inducing and look completely we

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got in a rat hole here best beatles move

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best beatles movie ever come up which

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one let me think about the beatles

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movies i saw when i was ten days night

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right help let it be yellow submarine I

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guess yellow submarine I think I've only

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seen two of those though they are

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fantastic and they only did five minutes

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at the end of it so it's great so when

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you got colonic irrigations in the whole

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yellow submarine experience flow to the

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top no it wasn't even vaguely sexy

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allure I didn't lose weight or anything

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but they said okay coming back you'll

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feel it yeah right so you just did the

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one or two one what yes how many times

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two different go well Ross only went

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once yeah and then like I say I did the

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cleanse instead and Ross was pretty much

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huddled in the kitchen for the rest of

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the month was the afternoon no no he did

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he'd logged about it a couple times and

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he did share his experiences and didn't

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seem to have a great time but at the

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same time we're always saying we would

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not rather be doing anything else we

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just love putting ourselves in these

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situations and we're just a couple

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people who kind of like that that

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awkward feeling well just imagine the

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Monday morning in the office day there

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yeah guess what I did this weekend I

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mean you must really freak mr. DJ out oh

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no no DJ is always very encouraging and

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very

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rest he did complain a few times that I

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went to the bathroom too much when i was

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on the Master Cleanse because I was

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drinking so much fluid so I kept having

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to get up for meetings hold that thought

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this isn't going pee but now he's very

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sweet about it now if people have some

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suggestions for you how can they contact

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with you how could I make contact with

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you or perhaps get in a bit of an

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engagement with you about the whole

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thing all year to you're just too weird

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you're not treating it all seriously I

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mean really you should be looking at the

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bar Flower Remedies ya know we get those

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comments all the time when we love them

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you can email either of us at info at oh

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no podcast com you can email me directly

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at carry a todo podcast calm and they

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were also very engaged with all our

536
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listeners on our Facebook page it's just

537
00:21:01,259 --> 00:20:59,830
facebook.com slash on rack how do you do

538
00:21:03,539 --> 00:21:01,269
with people that just keep coming back

539
00:21:05,159 --> 00:21:03,549
and back and back when you answer them

540
00:21:06,899 --> 00:21:05,169
no we're not doing that no that's not

541
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,909
right no that never happened they just

542
00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:08,799
keep coming back and back how do you

543
00:21:13,369 --> 00:21:11,320
handle that you know we are very

544
00:21:16,169 --> 00:21:13,379
thoughtful very well thought-out

545
00:21:17,879 --> 00:21:16,179
questions from all our listeners and so

546
00:21:20,999 --> 00:21:17,889
I can't even think of a time that

547
00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:21,009
anyone's fought back too hard there are

548
00:21:25,019 --> 00:21:22,750
a few people who will say you didn't

549
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:25,029
give such and such a good enough shake

550
00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:29,440
and usually we'll see something true and

551
00:21:32,879 --> 00:21:30,940
what they said will say you know what

552
00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:32,889
you're right this was in a study we

553
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:34,990
didn't go in and and you know set up a

554
00:21:40,139 --> 00:21:37,600
control group and you know we're a

555
00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:40,149
sample size of two and so you might be

556
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,950
right that this isn't enough information

557
00:21:46,019 --> 00:21:44,320
to go on and we encourage them to go out

558
00:21:48,299 --> 00:21:46,029
and get more information and if they

559
00:21:50,299 --> 00:21:48,309
have something to prove us wrong tell us

560
00:21:52,409 --> 00:21:50,309
what do you find the biggest anomaly

561
00:21:53,999 --> 00:21:52,419
richardsaunders haircut or the fact that

562
00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:54,009
brian dunning always says i'm brian

563
00:21:57,299 --> 00:21:55,929
dunning from skip toy commonly buys you

564
00:22:00,840 --> 00:21:57,309
a drink I mean which of those who is a

565
00:22:05,369 --> 00:22:00,850
weirdest thing I still like Richards

566
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,379
hair so i guess the second one thank you

567
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:07,120
very much for joining us here and fully

568
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:09,610
australian listeners say hello hello

569
00:22:21,030 --> 00:22:18,930
well i'm currently that noise you can

570
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:21,040
hear the background is Penn Jillette and

571
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:23,650
is no God band doing I don't know I put

572
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:25,450
them to oral hygiene I've heard them do

573
00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:27,370
a strippers for God and who've we got

574
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:30,190
here Brian heart is your label and 10

575
00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:33,850
you're right hey hey domain art I am a

576
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:36,460
Los Angeles resident and a founding

577
00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:38,410
member of the independent investigations

578
00:22:42,270 --> 00:22:40,750
route ah now what has been the last big

579
00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:42,280
one you crack it's like it's like edgy

580
00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:44,230
yeah yeah well you know you didn't hear

581
00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:45,640
about the you know people who can do

582
00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:47,380
telepathy and can levitate that we

583
00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:49,720
cracked that problem you know what they

584
00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:52,420
got they got our $50,000 and oh I did he

585
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:53,560
just packed up and going home you're

586
00:22:58,050 --> 00:22:54,850
going home yeah you spent the money on

587
00:22:59,910 --> 00:22:58,060
donut see biking yeah anyway we've

588
00:23:02,880 --> 00:22:59,920
tested around 15 or 20 people over the

589
00:23:05,490 --> 00:23:02,890
last 10 years or so and surprisingly no

590
00:23:07,530 --> 00:23:05,500
one's passed our test which is designed

591
00:23:09,810 --> 00:23:07,540
with them in mind and we work hard to

592
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:09,820
work out the protocol so there's no

593
00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:12,130
there's no last-minute switcheroo for

594
00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:13,660
anything and they're always genuinely

595
00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:14,980
surprised that they don't pass the test

596
00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:17,230
what yeah I'm and because they've set

597
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:18,700
their own tests up beforehand and

598
00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:20,110
they've got confirmation bias and their

599
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:22,150
own abilities absolutely our last guy we

600
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:23,770
said we've had how long how often you do

601
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:25,330
this because I do this every day so how

602
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,530
often have you got one hundred percent

603
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:28,000
which is what he said he could do he

604
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:30,370
says he's no it's happened twice in two

605
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:32,650
years so that show you drove all this

606
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:34,690
way like like about 500 miles to come

607
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:36,910
because this might be the third time you

608
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,260
get a hundred percent now are you

609
00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:39,520
positioned in the best place to meet

610
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,470
people with paranormal abilities in Los

611
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:43,360
Angeles ages not only los angeles

612
00:23:47,940 --> 00:23:45,370
hollywood california at the steve allen

613
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:47,950
theater which is which is wus central as

614
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:49,750
you test people in front of an audience

615
00:23:55,170 --> 00:23:53,350
yes we do sometimes we use stream it as

616
00:23:57,270 --> 00:23:55,180
well who test people on it sometime just

617
00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:57,280
say we like to keep the audience down we

618
00:24:00,300 --> 00:23:58,930
like to limit it to people we know so

619
00:24:02,670 --> 00:24:00,310
there's no signaling going on that sort

620
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:02,680
of thing and of course how difficult is

621
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:04,210
it to keep an audience of potential

622
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,710
skeptics from being a little bit

623
00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:07,840
aggressive or negative to the post on

624
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:09,670
stage and no attribute that's a great

625
00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:11,710
question normal we sort of we sort of

626
00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:13,720
get our jokes out beforehand we make fun

627
00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:15,160
of the thing beforehand when the person

628
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:16,780
shows up complete respect complete

629
00:24:20,889 --> 00:24:18,710
silence if they ask for it yeah

630
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:20,899
we just keep we keep all the commenting

631
00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:22,730
down till after they're gone we treat

632
00:24:26,889 --> 00:24:24,860
them with as much respect as we can even

633
00:24:28,529 --> 00:24:26,899
though we can see or can tell this

634
00:24:31,419 --> 00:24:28,539
mental problems are there some sort of

635
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,429
no I asked Randy this earlier when I

636
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:33,440
spoke to him if there was a paranormal

637
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,870
ability the was real and could be

638
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:37,520
repeated what would you like it to be

639
00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:39,950
wow that's great I'd like to be able to

640
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:43,309
levitate personally really happy that in

641
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,690
what way because it could manifest

642
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:46,159
itself in any way do you want to fly

643
00:24:49,539 --> 00:24:48,169
really Rio or just skim across the

644
00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:49,549
ground but I don't do it yet lying would

645
00:24:53,289 --> 00:24:51,260
definitely be it if i get if i grab it

646
00:24:54,909 --> 00:24:53,299
i'll be great jump and go somewhere in a

647
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:54,919
Superman like that's that's the new

648
00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:56,690
levitation and now what got you into

649
00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:57,799
this what got you into wiring to

650
00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:59,480
challenge these people did something

651
00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:02,960
sweet which at one time I actually saw a

652
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Randy many years ago on the on the

653
00:25:08,169 --> 00:25:06,890
Johnny Carson show and I thought wow

654
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:08,179
what a cool job he's the only guy that's

655
00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:10,850
doing this about 12 years ago Jim

656
00:25:15,730 --> 00:25:13,070
underdown who worked for CF I at the

657
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:15,740
time he started this organization a

658
00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:17,809
group said you want to come and test

659
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,190
actually come and test people and I said

660
00:25:22,659 --> 00:25:20,960
oh my god i could come test people i'm

661
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:22,669
not a scientist none of us were

662
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:23,929
scientists none of us we have a couple

663
00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:25,789
scientists now but generally at all its

664
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:27,950
general members of the public we had a

665
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:29,929
Maytag repairman with us at the editor

666
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:33,440
originally and so most of the times they

667
00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:34,850
would say that the testing doesn't work

668
00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:36,860
because you're bringing negativity the

669
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,320
test sometimes they do say that but will

670
00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:41,120
say is that going to be a problem

671
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,860
beforehand we work all that out cause of

672
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:44,480
course we hear those excuses we have

673
00:25:46,899 --> 00:25:45,529
four rushing light so that can be a

674
00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:46,909
problem there's water pipes of the

675
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:48,140
buildings that can be problem no no no

676
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:50,059
it's thursday the moon's and aquarius so

677
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:51,710
that a problem no no that's the problem

678
00:25:55,630 --> 00:25:53,929
afterwards suddenly something's a

679
00:25:57,399 --> 00:25:55,640
problem but there was one guy who said i

680
00:25:59,049 --> 00:25:57,409
need however all the skeptics out of the

681
00:26:01,299 --> 00:25:59,059
room and there were about 30 people in

682
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:01,309
the room all but three left and he was

683
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,860
so surprised he was so surprised as long

684
00:26:06,639 --> 00:26:05,120
as we could be that way you know we

685
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,649
don't want you we want to keep your eye

686
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:09,200
on you what you're doing how can people

687
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,370
have a look at some of these tests and

688
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,159
find out the history of what you've done

689
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:14,960
no I don't think they have I think they

690
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:17,450
see the dollar sign the 50,000 really

691
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:19,250
yeah and I think that's what it is and

692
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:21,049
it's just usually a sad story you know

693
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:22,460
this is going to prove to my friends

694
00:26:24,909 --> 00:26:23,630
that I have this power it's going to

695
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:24,919
I'll be able to move out of my mom's

696
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:26,510
basement we get a lot of those kind of

697
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:28,610
stories from people and what about the

698
00:26:31,659 --> 00:26:30,049
rest of us to look look you've got a

699
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:31,669
website a history of what you guys have

700
00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:35,090
been up to oh yeah yeah iig west org is

701
00:26:40,659 --> 00:26:37,750
our website and yes a whole history of

702
00:26:43,419 --> 00:26:40,669
OC there's a local a local la guy this

703
00:26:45,879 --> 00:26:43,429
is just a nip across the desert to get

704
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:45,889
in LA are to Las Vegas and is it a very

705
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:47,570
lost printmakers crap what kind of crowd

706
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:49,130
are in there for the bacons and donut

707
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:51,470
party would been gillette rocket roller

708
00:26:55,149 --> 00:26:54,169
people you know nobody not knowing

709
00:26:56,919 --> 00:26:55,159
different than you've ever seen before

710
00:26:59,500 --> 00:26:56,929
I've got to say I'm wearing a very loud

711
00:27:00,610 --> 00:26:59,510
gold Las Vegas alarm a jacket a fluid

712
00:27:01,779 --> 00:27:00,620
and the reaction I've been getting from

713
00:27:03,159 --> 00:27:01,789
the locals has been a little bit wow

714
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:03,169
that's a bit much i wouldn't call this

715
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,549
kind of jacket would be fairly regular

716
00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:06,559
around it i guess to the regular to the

717
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:08,179
Las Vegas grata would be but most of

718
00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:09,769
these people are not from Las Vegas and

719
00:27:12,909 --> 00:27:11,240
so there is a cross-section of Middle

720
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,919
America here absolutely yeah absolutely

721
00:27:17,259 --> 00:27:15,440
well there's a large section of us from

722
00:27:18,879 --> 00:27:17,269
California because it is that four to

723
00:27:20,919 --> 00:27:18,889
five hour drive across the beautiful

724
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:20,929
desert so it's you know twenty

725
00:27:24,970 --> 00:27:22,850
twenty-five dollars in gas not like you

726
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,980
traveling you know you have thousand

727
00:27:29,139 --> 00:27:26,720
miles and who knows how many dollars oh

728
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:29,149
boy oh yeah but old pay to it we're

729
00:27:32,409 --> 00:27:30,440
talking real dollars not Australian

730
00:27:35,169 --> 00:27:32,419
dollars well hey come on we're actually

731
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:35,179
not worth your you were getting us in

732
00:27:41,259 --> 00:27:38,500
the 90s but let me tell you yeah now I'm

733
00:27:42,610 --> 00:27:41,269
I've been sent here by skeptics own

734
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:42,620
listings are donated and I feel

735
00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:44,840
fantastic about that you must feel

736
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:46,220
fairly honored to be able to do what you

737
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,740
do as part of your job and like have

738
00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:50,480
people follow you around and know what's

739
00:27:53,409 --> 00:27:51,740
going on and people want to know more

740
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:53,419
about science because of that that is a

741
00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:55,370
great thing absolutely that's that's

742
00:27:58,899 --> 00:27:57,080
what are the joys and it's not a job

743
00:28:00,100 --> 00:27:58,909
because none of us get paid Jim under

744
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:00,110
downs the only person that gets paid

745
00:28:04,570 --> 00:28:02,690
these are is our Chairman the rest of us

746
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:04,580
are all complete volunteers or spare

747
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:06,980
time it's all just fun I love promoting

748
00:28:11,169 --> 00:28:09,230
science I love being recognized by the

749
00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:11,179
tan people and also love two of my

750
00:28:14,169 --> 00:28:12,620
friends right over here them talking

751
00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:14,179
about what my mom is a psychic it's like

752
00:28:16,770 --> 00:28:15,950
really how would you like to make some

753
00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:16,780
money

754
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:18,430
yeah well she doesn't do it doesn't work

755
00:28:22,170 --> 00:28:20,500
that way yeah like what way does it work

756
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:22,180
but wait a psychic work yeah I look and

757
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:23,650
like I said to Randy if there was a

758
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:25,240
repeatable way of talking to the dead

759
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:27,460
that was reliable everybody will be

760
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:29,290
using it all the time and our society

761
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:30,820
would be changed so fundamentally we

762
00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:32,290
would not even recognize radically

763
00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:34,150
different we'd be pushing aside just

764
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,860
coach to get through a room that's right

765
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:37,840
oh my gosh that almost a search for new

766
00:28:40,650 --> 00:28:39,010
knowledge would stop because you could

767
00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:40,660
just ask old people to improve on that

768
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:42,790
old knowledge hundred billion old souls

769
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:45,130
at least have been on the planet since

770
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:46,630
the dawn of man so that's a lot of

771
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:48,310
people to ask yeah one last question

772
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:50,170
before we get back to the bacon tequila

773
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:51,610
bourbon fest that's going on the side

774
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:52,690
there would no there's no there's no

775
00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:54,820
bacon in there deliah it's just to give

776
00:28:59,970 --> 00:28:56,920
you okay right I'll let difference do by

777
00:29:02,100 --> 00:28:59,980
the way one female yet male and female

778
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:02,110
strippers with crucifixes on it panizza

779
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:04,290
you know isn't he the all-around guy

780
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:07,510
he's an equal opportunity offender and

781
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:09,220
when with the house he's got this plenty

782
00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:10,810
of room for it too oh yeah yeah yeah

783
00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:13,180
it's great house right now I every other

784
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:15,160
heard the skeptics own podcast and is

785
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:17,380
there is particular Australian turn to

786
00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:18,700
skepticism is or is there a way we

787
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:20,350
approach things that it's not as

788
00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:21,250
something different that you've ever

789
00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:22,540
thought about I've just been asking

790
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:24,160
Americans them over here well

791
00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:25,690
unfortunately I spent some time in

792
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:28,060
Australia in the 90s so try and there is

793
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:29,530
a mentality that you guys having it's

794
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:31,990
great I its most noticeable at when you

795
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:34,120
do the what you go I figure out the

796
00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:35,200
segments go where you were in the pop

797
00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:37,780
and you're in here drinking skeptically

798
00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:39,880
all right I'd like to call it the drunk

799
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:41,920
tank yeah yeah and and just hearing the

800
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:43,390
bus announcements over the over the PA

801
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,250
that cracks me up and says it's just

802
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,940
great that part of it seems very

803
00:29:51,930 --> 00:29:49,840
Australian in a way I can't I can't

804
00:29:53,850 --> 00:29:51,940
quite figure out is it the maybe don't

805
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:53,860
take ourselves seriously but and that's

806
00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:55,900
a positive and a negative well no that's

807
00:29:58,380 --> 00:29:57,400
actually a positive but when i was when

808
00:29:59,730 --> 00:29:58,390
i was there one of the things I thought

809
00:30:01,530 --> 00:29:59,740
I loved about this country about

810
00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:01,540
Australia was you didn't take yourself

811
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:03,640
seriously I'm from serious America you

812
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:05,530
know we take ourselves way too seriously

813
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:07,450
well you still super power or let's

814
00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:09,850
debate yeah yeah well the last remaining

815
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:10,790
superpower I guess

816
00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:12,890
oh yeah and yes again and how do you

817
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:14,630
think that sits in the skeptic world if

818
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:16,130
if we're not taking things completely

819
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:17,750
seriously all the time does that put us

820
00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:19,310
a bit behind what you guys are up too

821
00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:20,900
sometimes I don't think so I don't think

822
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:22,280
so at all matter of fact we nicked one

823
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:24,710
of your ideas which which is too is too

824
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:26,600
I think me Richard came up with this

825
00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:28,940
where you give a prize to the person who

826
00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:32,840
brings in the psychic this is yeah I can

827
00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:34,580
find his face we have a finder's fee up

828
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,200
we have a five-thousand-dollar finder's

829
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:38,000
fee and it so if that person we bring

830
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:39,440
that person you bring your psychic and

831
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:41,810
they pass their test then not only today

832
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:43,370
we're in 50,000 you get the five

833
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:45,140
thousand dollars so it puts pressure on

834
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:47,510
the client to talk to their psychic and

835
00:30:50,530 --> 00:30:49,010
say I know you don't need the money but

836
00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:50,540
I need the money so please take this

837
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:52,700
test so put it puts the honest on the

838
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,290
psychic once again so we stole that from

839
00:30:57,820 --> 00:30:56,000
you guys looks you know you've got any

840
00:30:59,500 --> 00:30:57,830
ideas just steal away I think we got to

841
00:31:01,930 --> 00:30:59,510
go in and get forget the bacon forget

842
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:01,940
the donuts the tequila bar is open okay

843
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:03,830
great talking to me know I am a fan I

844
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:23,160
hi this is Carrie papi i am ross Blocher

845
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:25,630
okay Ross hey we're from a podcast

846
00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:29,110
called oh no Ross and Carrie we find out

847
00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:30,820
what happens when you show up and ask

848
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,230
questions we've hung out with the

849
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:34,480
caballes the Mormons we've gone and

850
00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:37,030
gotten ear candles gone to the Sikhs we

851
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:39,460
show up so you don't have to so find out

852
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:41,110
where we're going next we'll even have

853
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:43,210
special episodes where we have famous

854
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:45,610
guests like Brian Dalton from mr. deity

855
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:47,620
you heard that awesome theme music he

856
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:49,630
wrote that you should come visit us at

857
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:54,010
Oh No podcast.com or facebook.com slash

858
00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:56,590
on rack what the hell's honor a cross Oh

859
00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:00,700
in RAC Oh Oh No Ross and Carrie that's

860
00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:06,280
our show that's a smart come join us the

861
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:08,140
Australian skeptics National Convention

862
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:11,530
for 2012 starts on Friday November 30th

863
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:13,390
with a cocktail evening at melvins

864
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:15,580
immigration museum where you can meet

865
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:17,680
mingle with free and critical thinkers

866
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,750
and some of your favorite skeptics the

867
00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:22,000
convention theme is active skepticism

868
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:24,070
changing for the better and continues

869
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:26,230
over the first and second of december at

870
00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:28,030
the stunning spot theater at the

871
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:30,280
university of melbourne the lineup so

872
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:33,550
far includes James Randi DJ Grothe Brian

873
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:35,950
Thompson rebecca watson lawrence lon ken

874
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,500
harvey rachel dunlop rigid cylinders and

875
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:40,750
many many others a gala dinner will be

876
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:42,610
held on the saturday night at melvins

877
00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:45,130
iconic arts center for more precise

878
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:46,900
details and complete ticketing

879
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:48,610
intimation make your way to the

880
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:51,010
Victorian skeptics website and click on

881
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:53,050
the blue button labeled convention

882
00:32:57,510 --> 00:32:55,330
details here you'll find more

883
00:32:59,880 --> 00:32:57,520
information on speakers accommodation

884
00:33:02,010 --> 00:32:59,890
transport and a photo gallery on the

885
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:02,020
various venues you can keep up with

886
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:03,940
ongoing developments via the facebook

887
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:06,430
page thats curiously named australian

888
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:08,920
skeptics national convention 2012 and

889
00:33:27,499 --> 00:33:11,590
don't forget to follow odds skip con on

890
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:30,210
well we're coming to you right now from

891
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:32,950
the target theatre here at Sydney's

892
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,710
powerhouse museum it's a little sort of

893
00:33:39,629 --> 00:33:37,840
theater it it's quite empty at the

894
00:33:42,029 --> 00:33:39,639
moment apart from dr. Ricci and myself

895
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:42,039
we're getting ready to perform this

896
00:33:46,769 --> 00:33:44,350
weekend our mystery investigators show

897
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:46,779
where we look at water divining a bed of

898
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:50,470
nails we do the power balance power band

899
00:33:55,169 --> 00:33:52,330
sort of demonstration for everybody and

900
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:55,179
all sorts of other things so it's great

901
00:33:59,789 --> 00:33:56,830
to be here and do the mystery

902
00:34:01,619 --> 00:33:59,799
investigator show dr. H E I know it's

903
00:34:04,529 --> 00:34:01,629
not Richard and last year we actually

904
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:04,539
did the powerhouse as well for the

905
00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:06,820
ultimo Science Festival but we were in

906
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:08,679
the main room with all the planes

907
00:34:12,059 --> 00:34:09,970
hanging from the ceiling and the

908
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:12,069
helicopters and in fact dick Smith's

909
00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:15,129
helicopter is in that room but this year

910
00:34:18,419 --> 00:34:16,869
we've sort of been um we've been

911
00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:18,429
promoted a little bit having we we've

912
00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:20,500
got our own theater at this year which

913
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:23,109
is really nice whereas last year we were

914
00:34:27,059 --> 00:34:24,760
kind of just on a stage in the open

915
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:27,069
which meant we was really just doing

916
00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:28,569
shows one after the other after the

917
00:34:32,339 --> 00:34:30,579
other as people would approach us and

918
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,349
say oh I missed that bit can you do that

919
00:34:35,849 --> 00:34:34,720
bit again to another job yes so this is

920
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:35,859
I mean I think we've become

921
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,649
professionals almost oh we're being

922
00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:40,960
treated very well it's a it's like I

923
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:42,190
said it's empty at the moment it's a

924
00:34:45,299 --> 00:34:43,510
lovely theatre I don't know what do you

925
00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:45,309
think 150 people could sit in here

926
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:47,859
something like that maybe last time I

927
00:34:56,839 --> 00:34:54,809
mathematician do you know the guy who

928
00:34:59,819 --> 00:34:56,849
does I saw that show yes I saw that

929
00:35:02,280 --> 00:34:59,829
mathematics Olympics yes I can tell he's

930
00:35:05,339 --> 00:35:02,290
no me either he's hilarious and here's a

931
00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:05,349
bit mental in a good way so yeah it's I

932
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,140
reckon 100 120 or something yeah

933
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:10,000
comfortable size I think you're

934
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:11,650
comfortable size but as I said before we

935
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:13,540
going to do that the mr. investigator

936
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:15,790
show which is all about how people can

937
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:18,250
test and examine strange and mysterious

938
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:20,890
claims we talked about briefly about

939
00:35:24,329 --> 00:35:22,510
UFOs and monsters and we got all this

940
00:35:26,849 --> 00:35:24,339
lovely optical illusions the show on our

941
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:26,859
giant screen re so we have a giant

942
00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:28,510
screen last year we didn't have a giant

943
00:35:32,609 --> 00:35:30,339
screen did we and I noticed that you've

944
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:32,619
added this year to the show which is new

945
00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:35,800
some para Dahlia which is I'm so

946
00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:37,120
glad you did that because it's such a

947
00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:39,460
cool optical illusion isn't it and is

948
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:41,800
something that we all fall victim to I

949
00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:43,750
guess we'll victim to we all sort of a

950
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:46,840
susceptible to para Dahlia yeah which is

951
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:49,180
the whole basis behind the Jesus on a

952
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:52,060
toasted cheese and Virgin Mary on the

953
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:53,710
wall and all that sort of stuff well I

954
00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:56,650
was inspired originally by dr. Phil

955
00:35:59,940 --> 00:35:58,390
Plait who spoke about power Dahlia

956
00:36:02,160 --> 00:35:59,950
because of the face on Mars right all

957
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:02,170
those years ago and then in more recent

958
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:04,510
times I know Richard Wiseman on his blog

959
00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:06,490
has been very big into showing examples

960
00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:08,950
of paranoia so I went I scoured the

961
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,300
internet and I found some really great

962
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:12,400
examples like I've one of the ones i'm

963
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:13,540
going to show everybody today is a

964
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:16,330
toilet but looks like a smile that's

965
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:18,820
fantastic um yeah you've got photos of

966
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:21,790
theirs what is there a toilet a washing

967
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:23,260
machine with two of the knobs that are a

968
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,150
bit broken and a shirt hanging out in

969
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:27,040
front of it a front loader so it looks

970
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:28,630
like it's got its tongue hanging out and

971
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,940
a toilet that's got to toilet rolls eyes

972
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:32,800
and the system's a bit bent so looks

973
00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:34,930
like it's smiling I should get some

974
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:37,240
laughs I think one of the things i'm not

975
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,130
doing in this show in the show this year

976
00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:41,920
and we bring it in periodically is fire

977
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:45,060
walking now it's a good part of the show

978
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:47,410
its downfall is of course you can't

979
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:49,330
really do fire walking so we pretend to

980
00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:51,340
do fire walking i think it makes a good

981
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:53,320
point but we're limited with time so we

982
00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:54,970
sort of had to pick other it's a piece

983
00:37:00,000 --> 00:36:56,740
of museum wouldn't let us dig a fire pit

984
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:00,010
in here yeah not inside not inside but I

985
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:01,450
mean I noticed that they're outside

986
00:37:05,010 --> 00:37:03,190
they've got a slime workshop happening

987
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:05,020
just outside the door there is a slime

988
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:08,010
what we're gonna have to and there's a

989
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:11,410
thingy thingy what's a call of an der

990
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,580
Graaff machine yeah a Van de Graaff

991
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,560
relationship yeah because we were just

992
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:16,240
we were discussing this on the way in

993
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:18,460
about insurance and liability and you

994
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:21,070
know what you can actually do without

995
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:23,050
getting into trouble and I was saying

996
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:25,090
that a few years ago at the ABC they

997
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:27,820
used to have a workshop with a whole lot

998
00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:30,370
of stations of soldering irons and we

999
00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:32,620
used to periodically here kids squeal

1000
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:34,900
yes as I presume they were getting burnt

1001
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:38,170
by the soldering irons I mean that was a

1002
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:39,490
few years ago and I think they've

1003
00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:42,220
probably Bahamas it strict about that I

1004
00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:43,600
haven't seen that one for a while but

1005
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:45,700
yes is a big row a table big

1006
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:50,500
a row of soldering irons on a table and

1007
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:52,360
they give the kids little circuit boards

1008
00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:53,890
and a hot iron say go for it i'm

1009
00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:55,990
thinking myself there's an accident

1010
00:38:01,160 --> 00:37:59,380
waiting to happen so I mean we do have

1011
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,170
pointy sharp nails here today but

1012
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:04,480
because of the the the principles of

1013
00:38:08,670 --> 00:38:06,370
science no one will get hurt we and

1014
00:38:10,410 --> 00:38:08,680
we're very cautious we are we very

1015
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:10,420
carefully problem i think i foresee

1016
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,370
today which it is I can't bend over

1017
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:14,560
because I went to the gym and I've

1018
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:17,050
broken every muscle my way are you have

1019
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,660
a cold a little bit of a cold today I

1020
00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:21,280
think we'll battle through it so I but

1021
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:24,220
of course the finale of the show towards

1022
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:25,810
the end of course is when I lie on the

1023
00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:27,640
bed of nails and you stand on my back

1024
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:30,340
and all the kids down yeah we don't jump

1025
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:33,010
it down what no here though we had this

1026
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:35,260
guy's not this time I forgot you're

1027
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:38,140
popping down on your back but no that's

1028
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:40,180
a highlight of the show I must say well

1029
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:41,440
I'm looking forward to it again this is

1030
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:42,910
the lull before the storm i'm looking at

1031
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,130
my club now we our first show starts in

1032
00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:47,920
25 minutes but it's all ready to go it's

1033
00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:49,600
all very comfortable in here i think the

1034
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:50,920
crowds are just coming through the door

1035
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:52,780
upstairs because it's just gone past ten

1036
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,630
o'clock but again it's just really nice

1037
00:38:59,130 --> 00:38:57,520
to come here or anywhere and schools

1038
00:39:00,480 --> 00:38:59,140
especially into our mystery mystery

1039
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:00,490
investigators show because we know that

1040
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:02,890
people get a lot out of it yeah and

1041
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:05,260
actually this whole area this weekend is

1042
00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:07,090
a lot of the streets are closed around

1043
00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:09,820
ultimo because there's there are open

1044
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:11,140
days at the university of technology

1045
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:13,720
sydney up the road and i know a lot of

1046
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:15,670
the units are having open days today

1047
00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:18,760
around australia so it's a weekend of

1048
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:21,790
steeped in academia in cyanide it's a

1049
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:25,260
big science weekend on with the show

1050
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:27,550
there's another great mystery I've heard

1051
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:31,090
about for years later there now for many

1052
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:32,710
many years we've heard interesting

1053
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:36,460
stories of something called a bed of

1054
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:38,360
nails

1055
00:39:45,310 --> 00:39:42,380
now the mystery is of course how can

1056
00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:45,320
people possibly lie on a bed of nails

1057
00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:47,840
they would injure themselves it's just

1058
00:39:57,370 --> 00:39:50,150
for me if only we had a bed of nails

1059
00:40:05,400 --> 00:39:57,380
cockroaches we could Oh what today how

1060
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:08,650
and it's really any item publisher oh

1061
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:12,320
dear look at that is nothing that's a

1062
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:14,150
real Burt would you like to help you for

1063
00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:18,650
sending young lady come down now what

1064
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:21,860
I'd like you to do Mary yeah please you

1065
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can be the Alpha and you can let our

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William snow by very carefully testing

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some of these nails we've been made out

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of rubber or plastic or if they're real

1069
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:34,040
ales you press some very camera that

1070
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:36,590
feel like real man yeah you just press

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your hand in the middle very carefully

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that's how know how to stop real notice

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yep that's a little Moxie into that room

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00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:48,650
yeah we try to do this for me just to

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prove the value excellent thank you

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which should I have a bit of nails

1077
00:40:59,740 --> 00:40:57,080
testing device over here which you might

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00:41:03,720 --> 00:40:59,750
like to use oh really it's very advanced

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00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:03,730
free later if we have nails of course

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00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:05,690
they should be on the pop this balloon

1081
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:08,180
they may have rubber or plastic balloon

1082
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:11,420
pop let's try it I'm ready everyone

1083
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:12,830
cover you me is this is going to be

1084
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:22,610
oh that's I guess that means it's real

1085
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:25,800
it's mystery happy people possible learn

1086
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,080
real now you know what graduation what

1087
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:30,420
what dr. it's a very carefully and very

1088
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,670
carefully on the equals of is dangerous

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00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:35,280
I'm gonna lie very carefully on the bed

1090
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,580
now just to show you that yeah you know

1091
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I'm serious I'm gonna do I'm gonna do it

1092
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:43,260
I won't roll by this is what he does to

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00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:45,540
science people sacrificing her here we

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00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:50,100
go what do you get holes in your things

1095
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:01,490
I just stayed like that I don't I hope

1096
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:02,579
you're not putting it all your way

1097
00:42:07,279 --> 00:42:05,220
behind us too dangerous I think well

1098
00:42:08,749 --> 00:42:07,289
actually actually Richard if you're

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00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,759
gonna do it for science you should do it

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00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:11,099
properly really huh get up there no idea

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00:42:21,289 --> 00:42:13,950
and I think I think you should put all

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00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,299
of his weight on me for a second oh I

1103
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:22,920
say I think he's cheating I want to a

1104
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:25,980
cheating I'm gonna skinny guys man just

1105
00:42:38,059 --> 00:42:29,400
go down I'm not doing anything me thinks

1106
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:38,069
I should put him down fine weather where

1107
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,720
we're not satisfied we just want to

1108
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:41,460
check with as scientists we have to

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00:42:47,059 --> 00:42:43,529
check the chin of our truth maybe get

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00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:47,069
help me up on the other way to come on

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00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:54,390
down all right oh I make sure that you

1112
00:43:07,380 --> 00:42:57,690
know you doing this experiment well

1113
00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:14,250
she helping me out now yeah okay but

1114
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,050
is that well a bed of nails is a mystery

1115
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,400
that we were able to solve in science we

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00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:37,680
discovered but if there are enough nails

1117
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:39,320
when they're close enough together

1118
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:41,550
somebody's wait even with somebody

1119
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:43,770
standing on their back is distributed

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00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:45,990
amongst many many now so we still only

1121
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:48,210
takes a little part of my way what would

1122
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,380
happen if we only had five names if I

1123
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,140
would be invaluable to those not be very

1124
00:44:22,740 --> 00:43:57,920
nice so for the mystery investigators

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00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:25,539
this is an open challenge to everybody

1126
00:44:29,380 --> 00:44:27,529
in the Canadian skeptical movement I'm

1127
00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:29,390
chip cherry from the London skeptics

1128
00:44:33,339 --> 00:44:31,460
everybody in the Canadian skeptical

1129
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:33,349
community is aware of the poor state of

1130
00:44:37,059 --> 00:44:35,420
scientific skepticism and Canadian

1131
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,069
politics the media and the wider public

1132
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,440
I'm sure that most of you like me would

1133
00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:40,880
like to do more to help improve this

1134
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:43,220
situation there's a new group in Canada

1135
00:44:47,769 --> 00:44:45,260
called bad science watch they can be

1136
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:47,779
found at bad science watch CA they want

1137
00:44:51,309 --> 00:44:49,190
to become the go-to source in the

1138
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:51,319
country to take on bad science promote

1139
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:53,210
good science and protect and inform

1140
00:44:56,829 --> 00:44:55,160
Canadians I'm really excited to see them

1141
00:44:59,289 --> 00:44:56,839
get started as with any organization

1142
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,299
they need funds to get going so with

1143
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:02,240
that in mind the challenge London

1144
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:04,190
skeptics meets twice a month in London

1145
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:05,510
Ontario and we will be collecting

1146
00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:07,730
donations from our group members at each

1147
00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:10,520
meet up to support bad science watch we

1148
00:45:14,289 --> 00:45:12,260
intend to collect more funds than any

1149
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:14,299
other skeptics group in Canada so that

1150
00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:16,609
we can win the sweet pile of swag and

1151
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:18,559
affection that BSW is offered in

1152
00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:20,569
recognition in addition to collecting

1153
00:45:25,029 --> 00:45:23,000
cash at skeptic events there is also the

1154
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:25,039
option to donate directly through paypal

1155
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:26,990
or peer backers as well you can find

1156
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:28,760
that on their website it will be up to

1157
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:30,470
the individual groups to maintain their

1158
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:32,510
own donation totals so that we aren't

1159
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:34,460
making the BSW folks collect that

1160
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,440
information they have enough to do as it

1161
00:45:40,089 --> 00:45:38,480
is the challenge starts now and the

1162
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:40,099
final totals will be announced at the

1163
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:42,200
end of October let's work together to

1164
00:45:46,029 --> 00:45:44,210
help this fantastic new group get the

1165
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:46,039
cash it needs to help protect Canadians

1166
00:46:06,040 --> 00:45:48,140
from pseudoscience and promote critical

1167
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,140
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1168
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:11,460
zone all that chocolate milk folks that

1169
00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:14,220
went down a trade ahaha i feel quite

1170
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:16,080
rejuvenated good old chocolate milk

1171
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:17,430
still have to arrest the voice though

1172
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,460
now before i leave you to our have your

1173
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:23,520
skeptical week ahead choice magazine the

1174
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:26,850
consumer watchdog in australia ezer

1175
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:28,770
published a story which is available

1176
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:32,430
online can a chiropractor replace your

1177
00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:35,580
GP an interesting story well worth a

1178
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:37,560
look i'll put a link in the show notes

1179
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:42,210
for this episode www skeptics on TV

1180
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:44,730
what's of particular interest is there's

1181
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:46,950
a whole paragraph in this report about

1182
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:52,020
anti-vaccination ooh boy oh boy the

1183
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:54,810
anti-vaxxers the flying monkeys are not

1184
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:59,040
happy folks not happy check it out well

1185
00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:00,540
i'm sure there are more things i meant

1186
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:03,380
to say but my brain is quite fried after

1187
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,850
mystery investigating and doing all

1188
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:07,560
those performances and having kids run

1189
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:09,150
up and down i tell you what i did do

1190
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:10,830
folks i tell you what i did do before

1191
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:13,290
each show i was showing as the audience

1192
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:15,210
came in i was showing on the big screen

1193
00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:17,370
lots of lovely animations and things of

1194
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:20,100
planets and stars and whatever and i

1195
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:21,750
think i even started to channel carl

1196
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:23,790
sagan at one stage talking about Pluto

1197
00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:26,640
and Europa and Ganymede and I oh and

1198
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:30,120
Jupiter and Saturn and ah that was quite

1199
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:34,290
fun quite fun I have a bit of a think

1200
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:35,550
about that for the rest of the week I

1201
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:38,760
think until next time this is Richard

1202
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:41,490
Saunders siding off from Sydney

1203
00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:47,940
you've been listening to the skeptic

1204
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:52,900
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